Previa Alliance Podcast
There are few experiences as universal to human existence as pregnancy and childbirth, and yet its most difficult parts — perinatal mood and anxiety disorders (PMADs) — are still dealt with in the shadows, shrouded in stigma. The fact is 1 in 5 new and expecting birthing people will experience a PMAD, yet among those who do many are afraid to talk about it, some are not even aware they’re experiencing one, and others don’t know where to turn for help. The fact is, when someone suffers from a maternal mental health disorder it affects not only them, their babies, partners, and families - it impacts our communities.
In the Previa Alliance Podcast series, Sarah Parkhurst and Whitney Gay are giving air to a vastly untapped topic by creating a space for their guests — including survivors of PMADs and healthcare professionals in maternal mental health — to share their experiences and expertise openly. And in doing so, Sarah and Whitney make it easy to dig deep and get real about the facts of perinatal mental health, fostering discussions about the raw realities of motherhood. Not only will Previa Alliance Podcast listeners walk away from each episode with a sense of belonging, they’ll also be armed with evidence-based tools for healing, coping mechanisms, and the language to identify the signs and symptoms of PMADs — the necessary first steps in a path to treatment. The Previa Alliance Podcast series is intended for anyone considering pregnancy, currently pregnant, and postpartum as well as the families and communities who support them.
Sarah Parkhurst
Previa Alliance Podcast Co-host; Founder & CEO of Previa Alliance
A postpartum depression survivor and mom to two boys, Sarah is on a mission to destigmatize the experiences of perinatal mood and anxiety disorders (PMADs), and to educate the world on the complex reality of being a mom. Sarah has been working tirelessly to bring to light the experiences of women who have not only suffered a maternal mental health crisis but who have survived it and rebuilt their lives. By empowering women to share their own experiences, by sharing expert advice and trusted resources, and by advocating for health care providers and employers to provide support for these women and their families, Sarah believes as a society we can minimize the impact of the current maternal mental health crisis, while staving off future ones.
Whitney Gay
Previa Alliance Podcast Co-host; licensed clinician and therapist
For the past ten years, Whitney has been committed to helping women heal from the trauma of a postpartum mental health crisis as well as process the grief of a miscarriage or the loss of a baby. She believes that the power of compassion paired with developing critical coping skills helps moms to heal, rebuild, and eventually thrive. In the Previa Alliance Podcast series, Whitney not only shares her professional expertise, but also her own personal experiences of motherhood and recovery from grief.
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Hey Whitney Summer Edition!
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Summer is here and this version of Hey Whitney is centered around how to navigate motherhood during this season. From traveling with kids, answering questions about when is the next baby at family gatherings, to feeling like everyone else is living their best instagram life… This is the perfect reminder we are all in this together. Get your top questions answered by your favorite therapist with a special bonus our lactation/doula educator Jenny!
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Managing Overstimulation and Stress in Summer
Speaker 1Hey guys , welcome back to Preview Alliance podcast . We have got . Okay , it's summer , we know this . We've asked questions . What do y'all want to hear ? We have Ginny with us because , you know , let's add it , it's a party .
Speaker 2It's a preview party .
Speaker 1Uh-huh , it's Hey , whitney , summer edition . That's right . All right , whitney , you're on the hot seat , let's do it Okay . Hey , whitney , finding myself struggling with over simulation . Okay , that's all of us , the hot , constant noise . It seems that my kids being home off routine , it's getting to me . Did they watch me at swim practice , the other ?
Speaker 2day .
Speaker 1Did they see me like sweating and wondering if I was screaming ? There was no , like I could jump in the pool to ground Whitney , but I wouldn't have worked out well , so help me out , okay .
Speaker 2Help us all out . So part of it is to realize you're not alone , because it's your kids . Being home and being out of routine is going to lead to sensory overload . It just is . And regardless of however old your kids are , i am a big advocate of they have to have a rest time in their rooms doing something quiet . They can be playing , they can be reading . If you want to give them an hour of screen time on a tablet , so be it .
Speaker 1We all do that .
Speaker 2But we all need a chance to kind of decompress , have that quiet time . You need that time for yourself . So , big advocate of make sure you're still incorporating some type of a quiet or a rest time , try not to forget about your tactile grounding . So , whether that means that you're , you know , getting the wet , you know wet washcloth or paper towel or you know something cold , put it on the back of your neck , put it on your face . If you need to go outside with your kids , let them , number one , burn off some of that energy that is never ending . But then you're out there barefoot , you know , putting your feet on the grass . All that kind of stuff , you know do something that is like smell . So candles , lotion , soap , whatever it is . Don't forget your tactile grounding skills And while you're doing that , try to implement your deep breathing .
Speaker 1Yeah , i think what happens to me is loading the kids Like I don't feel like talked about enough and like it's hot , we're okay , we're in Alabama .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1It's hot , yeah , and especially if you're like out somewhere and you're loading them and like you're sweating , they're hot . You're doing the car seat battle , yeah , okay , you get into the front seat . It's like a two second vacation when you shut the doors of your kids . I mean you're like yelling and you're like oh , and you're like oh that's , just that's me standing in the parking lot for one second , exactly , and then you get back in . That is a heart Like I struggle with that . Yeah , a lot sometimes .
Speaker 2And then kids are like I'm hot .
Speaker 1I'm like mommy's hot .
Speaker 2It's Alabama , everybody hot .
Speaker 1Everybody's suffocating , so what should I do better in that moment ?
Speaker 2Well , remind yourself , especially with baby James Will comes at you too .
Speaker 1sometimes Yeah . And he's like more my mental , like terrorist assault , or like he'll just like come at me and be like mommy , you did that wrong , or you should . And like mommy , you forgot . Mommy , use your kind words , or ? mommy , why are you making that face ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I'm like I made a moment , sir .
Speaker 3Charlie always reminds me mommy forgot to take your three deep breaths , because that's what we tell him . Three react , takes some deep breaths and he's like I think you forgot your deep breaths , You're just like mommy forgot . You're right .
Speaker 2Let's take them together . So remind yourself , at least with baby J , the car seat battle is probably long from over . So try to mentally prep before you get there . But once you're in the car , if you still need that time to kind of cool off , open the windows , tactile grounding , let that air blow . Yes , let the air in the sound . Sometimes the sound of the windows opening drowns out the kids . You know , multi-purpose here , yeah , what about ?
Speaker 3ring pops . Is that tactile Because we've been buying them in bulk ? Yeah , we're going to get one . It keeps their mouth closed for a minute .
Speaker 2Well , sour candy too . It's kind of a shock to your central nervous system .
Speaker 1Look at you big round and you don't even know it . I did . There we go .
Speaker 3That's why our road trips have been better .
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Speaker 1Okay , so you're not alone . We're all having those moments . and I will say I'm worse when I'm hurrying out the door . Oh , yeah , so that's a Sarah thing , that's an .
Speaker 2India gram one , type A , where we don't like to be late .
Speaker 1I don't like to be late . And then I do this thing with nap time . I don't know how you all do this , where I try to use the most I can of my nap time in that last like two or three minutes or whatever I know And then I feel like I could just speak to Hasmeen and devil and get it all done . It's like a challenge for myself , but I make myself worse , so I need to personally work on that as self admitting . But is that a thing ? Are you going to tell me something about myself ? Okay , tell me , okay , okay .
Speaker 2That's kind of an ADHD thing , where people with ADHD work great under pressure And so they will put something off or procrastinate it into the last minute and then boom , they thrive under that pressure .
Speaker 1I can tell by her look .
Speaker 2Do you want me to say ?
Speaker 1The therapist is like , and I'm like what is it ? Tell me , why do I do this ? It always takes a minute for me to process it . We'll talk about this later , yeah .
Speaker 2You're like to be continued .
Speaker 1Good to know . Okay , hey , whitney , my son just turned one .
Traumatic Birth and Dealing With Pregnancy
Speaker 1Our birth was traumatic , to say the least . I found myself feeling off round . His birthday Is this a thing .
Speaker 2Well , of course it is . It's a trauma trigger because you know obviously your life and your baby's life was at stake .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Potentially he had a NICU stay . You know we can say that , and so when his birthday rolls around you're reminded of that trauma . You might even have kind of some flashbacks 100% .
Speaker 2Back to the you know labor and delivery room , back to the OR , back to the NICU . All of those things are going to be kind of running through your head . And if there was a NICU stay or if you know so , you were on magnesium and so you were kind of out of it for a little while and unable to hold him , you're grieving what you lost .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Because you may not have gotten that golden hour of skin to skin , and so you're grieving that , and so it's very appropriate that you feel like his birthday is almost harder than it is celebratory .
Speaker 3I mean , it's the anniversary of your trauma . Exactly , you've been that .
Speaker 1Yeah , jenny's walked that road And still to this day I get weird around honestly both boys' birthdays And now my family's kind of recognized it . I recognize it And it just was not . I mean , it was not a happy day for me Not to be real driving past the hospital . Sometimes I'm just like I don't want to see it Right . So the first day and I think you sometimes overcompensate or I did for the first birthday for Will I did this grand party to try to not think about it .
Speaker 1And then post-party I was like , wow , okay , that's still really not okay . Like the balloons didn't make it better . Exactly The cake .
Speaker 2I thought I did Right .
Speaker 1I would like I put an elephant on the cake . Why wouldn't that ?
Speaker 2solve my problem Exactly .
Speaker 1But no one ever said to me , if you had a traumatic birth , Sarah , the birthdays would be hard . So if this drum , if you're hearing that for the first time , you're validated , I would suggest therapy .
Speaker 3Yes , Something that a therapist told me , and we have a therapist in the room that can speak to this . But just on that day , start the day and give yourself five , 10 minutes , however long you need to dwell on what happened , to really think about it , Because if not , you're going to keep having those flashbacks all day . So allow yourself to sit with that discomfort , think about the things , give yourself grace , you know . Sit with it for a minute And then like , okay , like I have honored my feelings .
Speaker 3I have sat with it . I have not dealt with it per se , but I have let it make space for it , And then it just helped me to like okay , I can go and enjoy the good parts of this day . now , Exactly .
Speaker 1I love that .
Speaker 3So that was helpful for me . I was like I love that , that I don't have to keep trying to push it away .
Speaker 2I can just sit with it for this time .
Speaker 1You're allowed to fill your bills . You needed that permission Absolutely .
Speaker 3I don't feel like you have that permission .
Speaker 1I love that I'm actually going to start doing that , because sometimes I find myself being like I wanted to talk about it to someone but then I was like maybe they're tired of hearing it .
Speaker 2Well , this could be a good time setting a timer and voice journaling Yes .
Speaker 1Yeah , so the I think really too , especially you know the aftermath of trauma . trauma is tricky . trauma is like grief It pops up .
Speaker 2It's very sneaky .
Speaker 1So to this mom it's very validated . Unfortunately , it's a normal experience .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1And you know too , sometimes I like to travel around the birthday . It doesn't even like a small little trip , It kind of gives me something out of like the location , because we live where the trauma has happened . Yeah , to me that's one thing . So find your ways , find your . Like we said before in different episodes , you're going to find your core huddle , people that you can share with Exactly .
Speaker 3And then a grief and joy can coexist . Coexists It has to be all bad or all good . No , you can feel conflicting emotions .
Speaker 1Totally . Oh , okay , i like these Family stuff . Whitney , here we go , Let's do it , aunt Brenda . Hey , whitney , we have several large family gatherings , vacations coming up , it's summer , everybody's trying to see everybody's schools out . I am not ready for the questions about us getting pregnant . We've had several miscarriages and currently do IVF . I just hate the pressure .
Speaker 2Okay , for starters , if we have just any , let's say support people listening to this . For the love of God , don't ask people when they're going to have a baby Or when the next one is . Exactly , Or are you ?
Speaker 1trying , you know like- . I'm surprised you haven't had another one yet . Yes , because you're not getting any younger , because you're all the things Somebody asked me when the third one was , when I was leaving the hospital with Baby James . I am not even kidding . What are you going to do for the third ? I'm like , okay . Well , I guess when you get the Eurus that was taken on my body back in .
Speaker 2It's like , ma'am , go get the biohazard bag .
Speaker 1And she's looked at me I'm like that is inappropriate Yeah .
Speaker 2Recently , you know , I had COVID and I had sent a picture of the COVID test to my friends . And they're like you're pregnant . I was like did you forget ? my tubes are in a biohazard bag and probably like gone . at this point , because it's been nearly three years , i mean , no , it's wild . I'm like no , i caught the plague , not a pregnancy , Okay well .
Speaker 1I tell you , i remember this happening , conversations about when you get pregnant , when we were engaged , i remember as soon as we were married , you know literally questions . And then when I had the miscarriage , everybody just thought a lot of people didn't know we had the first miscarriage . When are you trying ? when you try , and , oh my gosh , i would cry almost every single time . And then in the South , A lot .
Speaker 2People feel very entitled to that information .
Speaker 1Uh-huh , and they just keep asking and I get this . I remember post miscarriage not going to a holiday because I couldn't stand to ask the question .
Speaker 3I could not and I did not go , I put and I said I cannot do this Yeah .
Speaker 1So I feel for this mom and , yeah , for her it comes from , maybe an innocent ? place It does .
Speaker 3You don't realize how hurtful it can be . They're not trying to be malicious . Like I can remember , the dental hygienist asked me don't you want more ? Are you going to have ? more as I'm like actively miscarrying and I just like took everything , not just ball .
Speaker 2I'm getting my teeth clean , so I totally just feel for this mom , and so for this mom for ways to cope with it .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2You know , if it's one of those you're able to get away , please do that . You know , even if that means like , oh , I got to go run to the store and you drive and you take that time for yourself .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2To emotionally decompress . Do that . Um , some really good advice is if it's your side of the family , have that conversation with them . If it's your significant other , they need to have that conversation with their family .
Speaker 1Get the sense of this . It might be his family , but I could rock .
Speaker 2I'm just like painting this picture of this , and so you know if it's one of those , depending on how strong the relationship is , to have that conversation of hey , we're going through IVF , we've experienced miscarriages . Please , no one asked us about this . This is not a good topic for us to have . You know if , if or when we get pregnant . We will tell you when we are ready in our time please do not ask us .
Speaker 2And so setting up those boundaries even before you get there can be helpful and it can protect you , and then also knowing that you can get your out when you need your out .
Speaker 1Yeah , i mean I'm going to go get a drink . Oh , i need to go reduce the rest . Yeah , i mean , i was also sassy at times , you know , and just like . Well , when I could you know . When are you going out of the baby ?
Speaker 3Well , when God gives me the baby you know , or like I just say , like I'm just not comfortable having it Totally , Yeah , Totally .
Speaker 1And you know I was just like , if you're going to ask me such an invasive question , if I offend you , maybe you should be looking while you're asking me an invasive question here , Like it was a hard time .
Speaker 1Um and still people ask me and I'm just like we're done . And then people , if you say you're done , for whatever reason you're done , they feel like you got to say , Oh , don't you want Like I get , don't you want the girl ? Yeah , And part of me goes well , I had the girl that I lost the girl . Yeah , And the other party is just like I'm very happy with the boys and I , depending on my mood and day , Yeah , That's the response you're going to get . But it's like you when you're asking , you don't know how many children we have lost Exactly And you're never going to know that .
Speaker 2Or the links that we went to to get the children that we have , yes , and that at some point , like for me personally , i was like I'm quit , i'm going to quit rolling the dice . Yeah , i'm quitting while I'm ahead .
Speaker 1Yeah , and we could try . There's women out there who try and try and try to get pregnant and it does not happen that way for them . So I think hopefully we're getting better in society . Yeah , and the more you can just say . I think the awareness is getting better . I'm not comfortable . You change the subject . You had the uncomfortable conversation . I don't want to speak about this before it happens .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1That's our advice , but just know , it happens to all of us And we walked that road .
Speaker 2It's hard .
Speaker 1It's hard And you know somebody always needs to get ice at parties Someone always needs to go get grandma a new drink . Take those out .
Speaker 3Yes , there's nothing wrong with that , yeah .
Speaker 1And you know I always like to before situations where I feel like I'm going to be pressured . I like power walk , i do my workout . Yeah , i like get my good headspace . Yeah , like fill your cup a little bit more that day . Mm , hmm , give yourself grace , absolutely . Oh , ok , changing topics . Hey , whitney , i see everyone taking these awesome trips , our mom's planning these perfect crafts and honestly makes me feel like crap .
Speaker 2I'm right there with you .
Speaker 1I know social media is made for this . I'm not the only one who's feeling like it .
Speaker 2No , i'm right there with you . Yeah , i am not a Pinterest crafty mom . Yeah , i would love to be Mm . Hmm , i am not . I have tried and failed , yeah , so no , you are not alone at all in your courage . Social media is designed for us to fall into the comparison trap . Yeah , it really is . And so , with that , maybe you need to take a break from social media .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Or put a title .
Speaker 1That's a highlight reel .
Speaker 2Exactly It is . It is
Parenting and Social Media Realities
Speaker 2a highlight reel . People put their happy times on there .
Speaker 3Yeah , i mean they're not happy , they're just supposed to look happy .
Speaker 2Exactly . Oh my gosh , you know it's two seconds of happy for the picture .
Speaker 1This is so bad . I'll say a second of that . There is sometimes in these posts , when people put these extreme decorations of their happiness are perfect . I'm like oh , you're just telling me how bad it really is in life .
Speaker 3Or like we were talking about the moms who say they do it all . And I'm like look into your five children and you're like making homemade butter , that you're turning and you say you have no help . I don't believe you . I'm sorry , i'm not buying .
Speaker 1I'm thinking there's a sister wide there at that , i would consider Exactly . And I would consider That's a nice . let's talk about it .
Speaker 3Should I have been clean As long as she didn't love ?
Speaker 1Bill , I'd be fine .
Speaker 3And he didn't love her .
Speaker 1There you go , exactly Like just give me like a good helper , exactly .
Speaker 3Exactly .
Speaker 1I think you know . So listen everybody you don't know to . I had to reframe this . She's taken a trip . You don't know how long that mom has been saving for that trip . You don't know how that trip's happened . You don't know the effort she's done . You don't know if her kid was a terror that night before . She's had the worst trip of her life , but she's just like I did this trip . Let's just post it Yeah , exactly . And you know , every mom's got their own specialty of life .
Speaker 3We all do it exit job a different way , exactly .
Speaker 1So you're not the only one who and sometimes summer's hard because our kids are home And like we're trying our best to keep them active and engaged .
Speaker 3And that looks like different for everybody .
Speaker 1But take that , go off And like , just I relate this , and when I was trying to get pregnant I couldn't be on social media because I thought everybody was pregnant . Yeah , so sometimes if you're just struggling with , like your confidence , and your comparison is really speaking to you . Don't look at it .
Speaker 2Yeah , might be a time for a break from social media or at least to put like this green time limit on there , So maybe like 10 or 15 minutes a day .
Speaker 1Because it's a lot easier to look out and say everybody else is doing better .
Speaker 2The rest is great .
Speaker 1on the other side , But it's like if you sit with your own . Yeah , that's where it's at . Yeah , but you know I did it too . I remember Will was little . I feel like she's taking this kid here , She's doing this to the library . Look at her . She's done that . I'm in shower today . How is she doing this ? She has five kids She's driving back for Target .
Speaker 2I'm like I hate to say sometimes kids start to raise the younger kids .
Speaker 1Yeah , they do , depending on age They're pretty well . Yeah , so I mean , but I did it , yeah , you know . So I think we all do it , but just know that we're all living this life together .
Speaker 2That's right .
Speaker 1Literally . I relate to our reels . We all post on Instagram .
Speaker 2Yeah , nobody has it all together .
Speaker 1Come on , if you would have looked on the opposite side of what I'm showing , you all see a whole different version , and that's a snapshot of our day . Oh yeah , two seconds and , honestly , it's probably prerecorded in a quiet time when we're children . Okay , so do not feel this way . You're , you're not alone , and let's take a little social media break to this moment . Yes , i would All right . Last question Hey , Whitney , i love these summer questions because they're just like our life here .
Speaker 1We just came back from the recent trip and I feel like all my husband and I did was fight or break up fights with our kids . Let's talk this out So I don't feel like I'm the only one .
Speaker 2I'd say this is par for the course . Yeah , let's normalize this .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Because , especially if you have younger kids . So , like I've said before , i have a two and a half , almost three year old and a six year old , and the two year old thinks that everything is hers .
Speaker 1Mm , hmm .
Speaker 2And God forbid her sister actually pick up one of her own toys because then the two year old wants it , mm , hmm , so it's this constant battle of note that is hers . She had it first . You don't just take things from other people , right ? We have to share . If you can't share , i'm putting the toy away . We are referees all the time .
Speaker 1Mm , hmm .
Speaker 2All the time , especially when they are in that younger like toddler to elementary school age . We're constantly going to be refereeing .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And then we're already kind of flustered and frazzled from that .
Speaker 1So y'all do one thing off to each other .
Speaker 2Then it's just like let's go , you know my husband might I don't know like tie his shoe wrong and it just grates my nerves and then I , you know , get upset over that .
Speaker 1Uh huh .
Speaker 2And so it's like one thing starts another . It's a domino effect .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And so you're not alone in this . I would tell you , as far as like , trips and stuff like that anticipate cranky , yeah , and I'm anticipating crankiness Expectations needs to be low .
Speaker 1Oh yes , for yourself , your kids your spouse , different environments , different centuries , you know . Even it goes back to like the toddlers right , they're all trying to kill themselves .
Speaker 3So we have safety guards in our homes right .
Speaker 1Like in our day to day life , we know where the stairs are . Oh yeah , we know where the scissors are . We put this away . They have their cribs or they have their bed rails right . We go to a foreign environment . Mm hmm , we've lost that control of just normal safety . So , like you , could , you know , cook for two seconds without your kid kill himself ? Now that's removed . Exactly So it's harder .
Speaker 2And , honestly , you know our kids , they're going to struggle being in a new environment , because it's new , it's exciting , And so they're going to be a little bit more hyper with that . And here we are thinking dear God , I'm exhausted , how do you have more energy , kind ? of thing , yeah , so we're dealing with polar opposites in that aspect too .
Speaker 1It's a mental low getting ready for trips It is . It's a lot , so you're already coming into it . Like I always tell people , like when you give birth , you're at a deficit , right Cause you've probably not been sleeping well when your last week's a pregnancy and like you're trying to get everything together and then you have this baby . Same thing with trips Like we're planning , we're running around , yeah . You know why does mom always run back out of the car Because we're like we forget .
Speaker 2we're the only part we got to grab .
Speaker 1Yeah , We got to get all the things . So you're bringing that into a trip , yeah , and then say you have family involved , you have friends who like to go vacation together . People care different , people Do things different . Mm , hmm , um , but definitely you and your spouse got to realize a vacation with your children is not a vacation . It's a trip and your parenting in a different location .
Speaker 2Oh , 1000% Yes .
Speaker 1So , whitney , it was so funny , we all went on vacation the same time . Yes , whitney had a true vacation . Yes , okay , me and Jenny took our children . Yes , so we parented in a different location .
Speaker 2Yes , yes .
Speaker 1So did you have mom guilt , though , when you were , when ? Oh yes .
Speaker 2Mom guilt . Yeah , oh yeah you know , talk about like tears on the plane , Uh huh , uh huh , cause it was for a long time .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And then it got extended because I got COVID , while we were out there . So then my parents ended up having to keep my kids for a few more days until I was negative . So then you have mom guilt because you have COVID .
Speaker 2Cause , then your head are like if I went away , then we got home and I was like we're home , right , and my kids are like Uh huh , and I wanted nothing more than to have my kids back . Yeah , yeah , totally . Now we're all united and you know We're back in the routine and it's great , but yeah , the vacations are hard , so just they are .
Speaker 1You know again , highlight Real people are gonna show . I showed the highlight real so I had to show you all the bad stuff on my Instagram stories . When we were Melting down I told Jenny was on vacation doing live the same life . Jenny , yeah , we were not thriving today .
Speaker 2You know the people that were in my like green circle , my close friends on my Instagram story . They knew I had caught covid . Yeah , go on vacation , get covid , it's great .
Speaker 1So I mean , i think it's just expectations And is your kids get older , it's gonna get a different vibe but the trenches right now Some low .
Speaker 3Yeah , we listen to us . Have you seen this book ? It's written by a therapist . We listen to that on audible on our way to the beach all the way back . It's really long . We don't listen to it the whole time . But , I feel like that was good , just to check in , okay , to be like okay . Yeah everything coming out of my mouth , respectful , it doesn't have to be yeah you know I I don't have to be happy with you all the time , but , yeah , you words leave my mouth need to be respectful .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 3I'm talking about someone or two someone . Yeah , that was just something he said in the book and so it's things like that . That was very helpful . I thought yeah , I was like that was convicting , like it was fresh on our minds , yeah , yeah . so maybe find a good podcast or a good one traveling and that's a safe space .
Speaker 1Right Like you can listen to someone third-party say yeah , Like none , i mean . I was gonna say did you just like across and just be like ?
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , Yeah I always do that , sometimes in church , i'm just like I'm gonna ask her when I was like you have to listen to sermons for yourself . You cannot be thinking like this was written for you .
Speaker 1You know your hit now , But I think that's a thing you know a good check-in before a trip .
Speaker 2And go into the trip , and you know .
Speaker 1I always say , you know with kids , if you can take , like I know , my parents went with us , so we got a date night or two in there . great , check it . you can put the kids down , you can order takeout .
Speaker 3Yeah , they had their baby monitor .
Speaker 1You could sit on the balcony , have yourself a little wine and a mill check out and just do that , check it . I'm sorry I lost my temper with you . when you know the swim diaper , they had a situation in the floaties and we were all hot sand was in all places .
Speaker 2Situation again and similar but not as triggering .
Speaker 1And You know it's amazing to on trips which you can find the other person doing wrong , right , Amazing like we have a heightened Sensitivity , or radar for one .
Speaker 3That's what Matthew pointed out , graciously . He's like just because I do something differently than you would do it , it doesn't necessarily make it wrong . Yeah , i'm like that's true , It really is . It is It's true , but it's hard when you're used to doing all the things you're like not the way we do it exactly .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's not wrong . We got to relinquish a little bit of that control .
Speaker 1You dusted the sand off them wrong . You know it's like .
Speaker 2I really do it wrong .
Speaker 1Exactly No but you're looking at it going .
Speaker 2That's not the most efficient way , right as any of your ones over here , 100% .
Speaker 1so I think , just knowing Everything's heightened , Mm-hmm , it is for us all , but this summer questions . They were so good . I love you guys . What are these ? have touched on a topic in your life . Keeps sending us more and we'll answer until next time , see ya .
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